jeysiec:

blithefool:

I’ll do my best to address this since it was reblogged from me and I’m assuming the P.S. bit is directed towards me specifically. 

Not just you, but other geeks I’ve seen supporting this sort of drek, including former friends who disowned me for disagreeing with feminist rhetoric. Ironically some of them were male born-again feminists trying to mansplain to me what I should and shouldn’t find offensive and what I should and shouldn’t relate to, who then got tetchy when I disagreed. At least in the days of Jack Thompson and M.A.D.D. and other Moral Guardians attacking us we knew how to actually stick together and recognize it for the BS it was.

Although you specifically disappointed me because, you sit there and lament near constantly about how your faves like Chamber and Skin are always getting tossed aside and ignored–a sentiment I agree with–yet you honestly reblog this sort of thing mocking people who are bothered about the exact same thing for for the exact same reasons you are? Doesn’t that seem unfair of you?

Further, doesn’t it also seem ridiculous for Marvel to replace main characters to push an alleged lack of diversity, when you know darn well just as I do that there’s actually dozens (if not hundreds) of existing minority characters that already exist that are hurting for their own spotlight? For instance, as much as I think Kamala’s cool, didn’t it bother you that people totally ignored folks like Dust and Faiza to claim she was Marvel’s first Muslim superhero?

I don’t know that anyone is suggesting you can’t enjoy the characters in their original form. And, if they are, well, they ought-not because that’s ridiculous.

Buh? We’re busy commenting on an OP that literally just said that.

I guess I’m a bit confused because all the characters mentioned still
exist.

Chamber and Skin and the other Gen X folks still exist too. Are you content with how little attention most of them get nowadays?

Comics have always shifted to suit the times and the readership.

Yeah, organically. Not to pander to a group of people who aren’t even actually fans, but just found the latest thing to latch into for their agendas. People like me who are members of minority demographics and actually have been fans their whole lives get ignored.

I mean, this is my list of things that would actually help me as a geek girl. And how some other minority folks feel about the matter. But nobody cares, because we’re not mouthing the accepted feminist/SJW rhetoric that says white straight men are bad and everything they like is bad. Then there’s things like NotYourShield which have gotten all sorts of flak from feminists and SJWs.

There’s a reason why I said geeks who agree with the feminist agenda are like poor whites who agree with Republicans. In both cases, the people you’re agreeing with actually hate you just as much as the groups they’re scapegoating and will screw you over just as eagerly; they just realize that you’re conveniently gullible pawns to exploit.

So long as Republicans preach about blacks and immigrants taking away jobs from whites, and feminists preach about boys taking away geek media from girls, they can exploit you. When in actual reality male geeks are as much of a threat to geek girls as blacks are to whites (as in, actually no threat at all).

Comics were a boys club in the 90′s.

You know why? Because girls themselves made it that way. The number of other girls who have insulted me for liking geek media is extremely large. I got regularly picked on by girls for liking things that “only icky manchildren liked”. I’ve had female coworkers respond to my telling them I’m a geek with “you shouldn’t put yourself down like that”.

The number of non-geek guys who’ve picked on me for being a girl geeks is small in comparison. And the number of geek guys who’ve picked on me for being a geek is zero. They were instead always ecstatic to find a girl who not only wasn’t going to torment them for being geeks, but actively liked geek things themselves. At worst, they simply didn’t give a hoot that I was a girl, and just treated me like every other geek.

And I’m someone who is socially awkward and has been bullied and mistreated much of her life, so you’ll forgive me if I call bullshit on my just getting lucky, like you guessed elsewhere. Why would someone who’s been bullied to hell and back for just about everything else about herself magically get lucky on this one sole thing? Far more logical and rational to conclude it’s actually because the majority of male geeks don’t view girl geeks as a problem.

Or at least, they didn’t until feminism butted in and recruited a bunch of quislings over to their cause who now suddenly consider it virtuous to bully and bash their former friends that don’t fall into line. Of course the rest of us are wary now. Their only flaw is not realizing there’s a bunch of male quislings involved in the bashing and bullying now as well. Feminism has turned a previous safe space for me into an unpleasant battlefield. Why exactly should I feel grateful to them for that? How does that help me out?

There are actual women who write and draw some of the books I love now. And there are so many titles!

Uhh… women have been creating geek media for literally decades and decades. Women have been active creators in comics, geek literature, geek TV, geek movies, video games, for ages. Hell, back in the day Sierra was one of the leaders of the video game industry, co-owned by a woman and with lots of popular women-created or co-women-created game series.

The reason you don’t know all this is because feminists would rather craft the false narrative that geek media has always been a male-only club where female creators struggled to survive until recently. Actually highlighting and tracing the real history of women creators in media would hurt their agendas.

o some of the
people who tortured me when I was a kid read comics now? It’s possible.
But they read them then too so..?

And I have no problem with that. I have no problem with newcomers who don’t treat existing fans and the existing culture like shit.

It’s having to read shit articles like this bashing and mocking those of us who’ve been reading comics all along, that bugs me. It’s being bashed and mocked by the newcomers, that bugs me.

But of course feminists and SJWs have to strawman that into “you just hate new people” because otherwise they’d have to admit we have a valid and reasonable complaint.

I, personally, don’t see a problem with the influx of new fans and new comics to read. I’m not the gate keeper.

Ah, yes, not wanting to continue to be demonized, stigmatized, insulted, and mocked for my hobby by the very people claiming to be into it now, makes me a “gate-keeper” now. Wanting to simply ensure new fans will treat me with some basic human decency, but otherwise leaving them to it, makes me a “gate-keeper” now.

So sorry, I clearly am a bad person for not willingly hanging a “Kick me” sign off my back and not smiling and gladly inviting everyone to continue to treat me like shit for enjoying my hobby even as they now gobble it up. Sorry, I’ll get right on kissing their ass and bending over backwards for them so I can maybe have a scrap of hope for finally getting treated with respect for my hobbies for once in my life. Because clearly them actually apologizing for their previous shit behavior and now treating me with some basic respect on their own accord is too much to ask. No, I’m an unfair “gate-keeper” now.

Talk about your fucking victim-blaming going on here.

This is really disappointing. I miss the days when folks like Jack Thompson would say how geeks are all violent murderers out to subvert society or whatever the Moral Panic of the Hour was, and we’d actually all band together to denounce him. Instead, here I am having to argue against other geeks who have inexplicably bought into the latest Moral Panic against geekiness. Fuck feminism for this noise.

You keep bringing up Jack Thompson but I feel like you’re the one who’s fear mongering right now.

Who, exactly, are they replacing? Thus far, every character mentioned is still part of the canon. These are all heavy hitter characters who are never going anywhere. At least not permanently. They didn’t replace Thor. They added a character. They didn’t replace Peter- he died in an alternate reality and now there’s a biracial Spider-Man on a different Earth. The Human Torch is a PoC in a movie. He’s white in the comic. What, exactly, are you fighting? Do you even know?

‘Although you specifically disappointed me because, you sit there and
lament near constantly about how your faves like Chamber and Skin are
always getting tossed aside and ignored–a sentiment I agree with–yet you
honestly reblog this sort of thing mocking people who are bothered
about the exact same thing for for the exact same reasons you are?‘

I do wish they’d use Chamber more often but I fail to see how someone wishing a female Thor didn’t exist and me wanting to see my C list fav in a comic are connected.  I’m not pissed off because they decided to make him Chamber black and put him in a movie. If they did that, I’d be bloody thrilled! Jono in a movie?! Sign me up! Jono as a kickass punk lady? Hell to the yes.

‘Comics were a boys club in the 90′s.You know why? Because girls themselves made it that way.‘

Aright. I’m gonna call bullshit on that. Did you ever stop to think that perhaps a young girl might watch the X-Men cartoon and then look to the comic store for content? You think she might pick up that comic and see a female hero who more closely resembled a blowup doll and put it down again? Little girls used to read comics because comics were once marketed to everyone. Then they decided that their demographic was male, hung the ‘no girls allowed’ sign on the door and called it a day. Some gals (like us) decided ‘eh, fuck it’ and read them anyway. But I’d never blame a woman who took one look at a boob butt pose on a cover and said ‘no thanks’.

here I am having to argue against other geeks who have inexplicably bought into the latest Moral Panic against geekiness. 

Weeeell, not really. You’re actually arguing against diversity. And I still can’t figure out why because you never actually explained that bit. You’re basically the modern day equivalent of the women who argued against suffrage because it would take jobs away from dudes. Feminist noise. Right.